The destroyers are pretty disgusting anti-frig platforms at the moment. Honestly, even assault frigates really don't want to go up against them. There seems to be something slightly wrong with that?

Some of them can do more DPS than a battlecruiser, and while they don't have the survivability of one, it still seems over the top. Especially with a 600 DPS Catalyst fit with Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, you don't even need tackle to rip the face off of some ships.

A CCP dude made a thread about it a few months ago, but I don't remember how it ended. Dig a bit !

[Coercer, Full Gank]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Co-Processor II

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I

Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I

I admit I'm not sold the change to Med Pulse/Beams is enough - particularly in the case of Med Beams. The range on them is just so long that it rather eclipses frigate engagement ranges.

-Liang

So instead of Medium Beam and Pulse. How about Small Overcharged Beam/Pulse?

Coercer is by and large fine as is .. the second midslot is a waste of balancing/trap if you ask me. Think out of the box instead damnit, make it into the glass-cannon extraordinaire that it was originally intended to be.

its essentially a carbon copy of the thrasher just with less speed, range, HP, damage selection options, overall damage and what looks at face value to be fitting issues to attach the medium shield extender II. Its for this reason I believe that it's important we maintain the cormorant's 8/4/1 layout and adjust the CPU and powergrid values and not the slot layout. I'm happy to accept less dps if it means that I can compensate for it through more versitile midslot options. as for the optimal bonus, I ADORE the double optimal bonuses, it allows the cormorant to fight at the edge of scram range as a counter to the rawr dps of the thrasher and the catalyst. encouraging people to fight smarter than just turning it into a raw "orbit at 500" dps race.

takeshi: at first impressions aye, but there is distinct advantages to a blaster cormorant over the thrasher gentlemen and possible ladies I give you, the Wundercorm.

Except they might be named by the peak power per pulse or somehing, and there are several pulses per "shot"

Coercer has a really bad cap problem and it is not really possible to make any use in fleets with this ship. You run faster out of cap than you can imagine.

much has changed since the beginning of crucible and "winmatar" has lost a lot of ground.

Might actually make some sense because the Minmatar one could be drone based (--> typhoon). Essentially the Amarr and Minmatar ship classes would have frog jumping progression between missile and drone boats.

Is there *any* evidence of destroyers being less effective at killing frigates than they were?

Figure out how to fix the "racial" problems you currently have in-game. Shield and kiting is everything now at pretty much every level, except caps and triage archons with armor buffered BSs. Everything I'm seeing from the re-balancing team is not giving me any confidence that the current ship usage stats will change or become less lopsided. They may become more lopsided.

edit - oh and https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122188&find=unread

With the future changes I think I'll change out a heat sink for a sensor booster. My rigs will become an ancillary current router, energy burst, and energy locus coordinator. I might also swap out the Pulses for Beams on occasion. In short, I'll lose half a heat sink but gain some range and versatility.